Why Pick Up Artists, Con-Men, Liars and Losers are all one and the same

This is gonna be a long post, and many will interpret it as either some kind of general shit-cannon against all sorts of supposed “gurus”, or some way to tell you all how clever, smart, and cool I am for having seen the obvious more than a decade ago, or whatever. So let me disabuse you of that notion right from the start.

The ENTIRE point of this post is simply one:

To show, by showing ample working out, with indelible proof, that the best path for men to take, especially young men, is to choose the ancient and classical virtues. Above all seek truth, honour, courage, perseverance, beauty, and justice. Never compromise your personal integrity. Learn from your mistakes. Reject degeneracy, lies, puffed up ego, material status over integrity, and understand why a small deviation into the lies and nonsense of the World, can lead you to perdition, even in only the material sense, even if you are not a believer.

If you learn just this, even only from a secular perspective, later, you may begin to compare the life of a righteous man and how it compares to the life of pious man, and recognise they are the same path. And later still, you may realise that Catholicism has always championed the virtues and rejected the lies. But that is a far-away hope. For now, I want to demonstrate to you, how the snake-oil salesmen, the liars, the peddler of sexualised fantasies, have, and continue, to lead men astray into distraction, nonsense, and perversion, and away from a life that can be truly worth living and is rooted in all that is good in mankind.

Let me show you the ways of the serpents exposed.

PUAs

Pretty much as soon as I became aware of them, I was critical of PUAs, and not once, randomly, but rather, consistently.

From my February 2010 piece linked above, which was probably one of the more gentle criticisms:

By the time that I discovered anything about PUAs I had developed quite happily on my own into a man more than capable to satisfy his curiosity of women. This was a fortunate thing because it allowed me a perspective on PUAs and their techniques that was free of being sucked into the promise of alluring women falling at my feet almost as if by magic. To a degree, I already had this power (insofar as it can be had let’s say) so I could look into and study and evaluate the information with eyes already filled of my own experiences. To sum up PUAs briefly is difficult, however I will try. Initially, most of these guys are frustrated geeks that have broken down social interactions between naturally successful ladies’ men and attractive women. They then practice these routines like social robots and begin to have some success at obtaining sex with these plastic techniques. As their confidence grows they refine the techniques and become more adept at luring an ever increasing series of women to their beds. The more daring then continue into experimenting with multiple partners at a time as well as multiple girlfriends at a time. Some openly, others secretly. By and large though, certain truths remain evident. Even if successful at having multiple sex partners most of these individuals are still what I would consider socially inept people. They may have achieved an ability at obtaining sex from women but that per se does not make them good people necessarily. Or likeable. Or happy. Furthermore, the level of hyperbole in this community is rather extreme; especially when you consider that many of the so called Pick-Up Gurus sell products that supposedly will increase a man’s ability to bed stunningly beautiful women.

In brief, PUAs are not really picking up women. they are picking up men. In order to sell them fancy stories and elaborate processes by which they can supposedly gain sex from alluring women.

Later, they tried to morph into a general, self-betterment community and even went into how you could use PUA tactics to keep your marriage intact.

And later still they even tried to morph into how real relationships were a mixture of game and Churchianity.

At every turn, the targets were other men.

It is probably true that some desperate men did gain some benefits from some of these guys, but that’s more along the lines of me coming closer to Christianity by reading the arch-heretic Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. In other words, more by random luck, effort on their part, and that leading to something positive. Overall, however, the whole PUA movement was mostly a con. And the people who set themselves up as gurus often poor excuses for functional human beings. One of the most egregious examples was a guy who called himself Mehow, who produced a whole host of products and seminars and books, all aimed at men and teaching them “Game”.

From the same 2010 post:

Mehow has been in the pick-up community pretty much to the exclusion of everything else (it’s his day job as well as his lifestyle) for some 10 years. He also has spent by his own admission about $500,000 of what seems to mostly be daddy’s money to set himself up in the “PUA business”. Again by his own admission in 10 years of hard partying day and night full-time and being trained by the biggest and best Pick-Up Artists in the world, gaining invaluable knowledge of body-language, NLP and who knows what other mystical seduction arts of his own invention, and spending half a million dollars essentially on this sexual crusade, what is Mehow’s tally? By his own admission again, as of about mid 2009, Mehow had had carnal knowledge of “something like 30 to 40 girls”.

So, yes, most PUAs are hyperbolic, dishonest, socially inept guys, preying mostly on desperate and other sexually inept men first and foremost, and possibly the occasional drunk, indiscriminating, kind of woman they might get a one night stand with.

But it gets more insidious than that.

The mindset created by PUAs is one of accelerated mechanisation of human beings. In this respect, the mechanisation of women as mere sexual masturbation devices for men. And, by cause and effect, the mechanisation of men as masturbation devices, and/or, walking wallets for women.

In short, it is a destruction of intimacy, humanity and genuine connection between men and women.

And I wrote this even during the relative “height” (or depth, if you prefer) of my own depravity, when I was never short of female company. Even in my hedonistic phase, I always preferred a genuine connection, however brief, rather than mere sexual relief. I especially never indulged in sex with any woman that was under the influence of anything. Certainly not as a beginning anyway. Once I was comfortable with a woman I had been seeing for some time, it did happen here and there that they may be a little drunk after a party (I never was, I have been drunk precisely once and that was by choice under rather controlled conditions), but certainly compos mentis enough to know precisely what was happening and be quite enthusiastic about it.

My point here is that even as a non-christian of any kind, even in my zen-agnostic, hedonistic general approach to life, I never saw the PUA stuff and the related attitudes as anything other than the weak, pissing about, damaging, cowardly actions of sub-standard men.

And time has proven me eminently correct.

The point here is not to focus on how smart or cool or prescient I am/was, but to note the pattern. To notice what made me notice (lack of virtue in their ways and at least basic adherence to at least some virtue for myself).

And to notice the path and the trajectory of these “men” who instead either fell into, or promoted the PUA grift and general attitude.

Let us then, notice the paths of some of these characters and who and how and where they link to and where they ended up.

A relatively decent article (despite it being by buzzfeed) and already 4 years old, overall is pretty good about the whole situation of PUAS, and Mystery and some of the early PUAS. Mostly, they really are scattered like rats, with a few hangers on like Mystery himself, trying to reinvent himself (and failing).

There are a bunch of tragic endings too.

A guy called Gunwitch (Allen Reyes) shot a girl in the face. Remember this, because it links back to the very granddaddy of PUA bullshit himself.

Another called Tom Torero (Tom Rails) killed himself, probably as a result of being exposed and vilified by a journalist named Danya Hajjaj in a Newsweek article that by all accounts imploded his life and earnings from his PUA business.

Some, like Tyler Durden (Owen Cook) as can be seen from this review video of his “skills” which also includes some of his seminar antics (about 6 minutes in and later too) make both men and women marvel at the fact that he managed to procreate. I mean, does this not look like a macho-man that women naturally swoon over to you? No? Why then, the problem must be with you then, naturally!

But ok, enough of these sad creatures. I think you can do your own research to figure out they are basically noxious beings. They are pathetic, but they also have contributed to the ongoing degeneration of life in general as far as it relates to intimate relationships. But where did they originate from?

The “Hypnosis” and NLP Connection

And here we come to some little known truths. A LOT of the whole “Game” and PUA stuff started with Hypnosis, and NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming), which is the brainchild of two guys: Richard Bandler and John Grinder. I know. God has a sense of humour.

Dick Bandler and John Grinder (the gay app… was it named after him? One has to wonder).

I have not looked into Grinder very much, but Bandler I have, long ago already.

From the above linked February 7 2010 entry:

There is one last point that I cannot help but enjoy needling the hordes of NLP enthusiasts who seem to consider Richard Bandler as their guru with. Milton Erickson practiced hypnosis and cured many, many people of sometimes very serious afflictions and certainly cannot be disputed to have been overall a power for good in the world. The man usually mostly credited with the “discovery” of NLP is Richard Bandler —in great part also due to his own self-marketing as such— it is interesting to note that Bandler was one of only three people in the room when one of those three people, the only woman in the room, was shot in the face with a .357 magnum revolver and killed. Neither Bandler nor his then friend James Marino was ever convicted of her murder though it was clearly not a suicide. Bandler also was demonstrated to be a fantasist about more than a little of his past, somewhat obsessed with violence, having threatened innocent people with firearms on at least some other occasion before as well as being a heavy drinker and also user of cocaine in large quantities. Personally, I am also extremely dubious that Bandler was a force for good in anyone’s life that he acted on directly, though of course I have met many of his devoted followers, who have attended his seminars and trainings at rather expensive prices for the privilege of being trained by a fantasising, heavy drinking, cocaine user that was somehow or other involved in the murder of an unarmed woman in circumstances that can only be described as suspect in the best of cases. [1]

Here is another take on Bandler closer to the shooting death of the woman.

Why is Bandler relevant?

Because pretty much all the hype about how you could use hypnosis to get women into bed supposedly at magical will, pretty much all originated with the whole PUA “gurus” reading up and trying to learn NLP to “trick” women into bed. The same was somewhat true of magic tricks, which Mystery himself still practices, as the buzzfeed article points out.

So, a bunch of socially maladjusted, sex starved, incels (involuntary celibates) learn the BIG SEEEECRIT of how to “hypnotise” women into becoming sex slaves from… a cocaine snorting, con man who is responsible either directly (my personal opinion) or at the very least by proxy, for the murder of his then on-off girlfriend.

What could possibly go wrong?

And who else took up the Bandler flag of being a master-guru of manipulation to achieve riches, glory and concubines?

Yeah, this is not gonna make anyone look good. Brace yourselves.

Andrew Tate – Cam Boy to Miles Sonkin

Enter Iggy Semmelweise (Miles Sonkin). Who the hell is that? He’s the man behind the curtain of Andrew Tate’s supposed Man’s Man world of… pimping girls on webcams. I am not a fan of the BBC or of the journalist who broke the story, but the facts stated, remain facts.

And let’s look at what handler in his prime affected as his guru look:

Now, I don’t want to say for sure it was Bandler, but in one of my delving into various subcultures of cults, I took a Tony Robbins seminar, which generally tried to upsell you other stuff during it. One of which was some advanced guru magic of some sort or other and you could go meet the guru in question briefly if you wanted to take the add on course for some eye-watering cost that I forget. Anyway, I went to see what this guru’s guru looked like and if it was not Bandler (I honestly don’t recall the name that was given or even if it was given) it was his spiritual twin. He had black painted fingernails, a leather vest very much like the one in the image above, a graying pony tail and some odd rings and other accessories on and about his person. It fairly screamed new Age Hippy Boomer dipped in narcissism and lies. I didn’t even listen to his free presentation.

Now let’s look at what Miles Sonkin looks like:

Honestly that’s the most flattering image I could find of the man.

Here he is with the War Room’s supposed main guy Andrew Tate and some of his victims successful peers.

According to the credible side of the reporting done on Miles, he really is the main brain behind the whole War Room thing, that apparently, and credibly, teaches men to essentially brainwash naive girls into becoming their cam girls as well as getting their names tattooed on them, as Andrew Tate himself has done to several women. Supposedly a few dozen of them having tattooed his name on their bodies. A kind of branding really that is not uncommon in various prostitution rings, and sex cults, like the notorious NXIVM one that involved the actress from the Superboy Smallville TV series.

It is fairly obvious from pretty much everything about Miles Sonkin that he has styled himself, literally, as a wizard and very much on the lines and methods pioneered by Bandler.

And insidious as the “hypnotist” NLP/PUA guru persona is, and as much damage as it does to those unfortunates that decide to “follow” them, the fall-out goes well beyond the directly affected.

The mannerisms and manipulation techniques of these conmen affect to one degree or other many other second-tier snake-oil salesmen.

Second Tier “Gurus”

Here we see a link between Miles the “wizard” and Ivan Throne, the boastful deaf salesman of supposedly man-improving seminars, and self-help… packages of… “Dark Triad”… I dunno, books, grandiose bullshit, etc.

I interacted with Throne directly online for a time as I had introduced him to an online Facebook group I was part of before it was nuked. Something I soon regretted when I saw his bluster was padded with what he thought was grandiloquent language, unfortunately for him, despite English being my second language, I actually know how to use it and was not the only one to notice that, more than once, he did not know the correct meaning of the “big” words he used. Something I took him up on, which caused him to get rather upset and use more words he misused, thus losing a bit of the shine anyone in the group may have had for him. The group has long since been nuked and I never had anything else to do with him.

Chernovich, he of the ever present lisp, gorilla mindset and, “it wasn’t me, it was a friend who sucked off the ladyboy, even though it was on my blog as a first person experience without explanation” infamy, also has attended the war room in some capacity or other.

The whole War Room, Secret Knowledge, I was born to be King and have women fall eat my feet, is as old as humanity.

It is by no means new.

Nor are the scams they pull, the dishonesty, the manipulation and the grift.

In the past however, the damage they did was limited by their reach. Today, their reach is the entire world, and Andrew Tate has managed to convince an untold number of young men that somehow manipulating young women to be your personal cam-girl whore, and stealing her money and being essentially a digital pimp, is the epitome of what success as a man is.

And keep in mind that Andrew Tate is on the record on video, stating that he would rather be with a 10 looking transvestite (that is a man, pretending to be a woman) than a much lower number looking woman.

Yeah. Peak heterosexuality right there boys. I just wonder if Tate will be the pitcher or the catcher when he eventually gets jail time in Romania for the things he is being charged with: sex trafficking, rape, and other stuff, including, I presume, tax evasion, which historically governments look to as a far more serious offence than mere rape and sex trafficking.

So. What was the point of showing you all these links?

Is this just an extended gossip girl column of pointing fingers and showing you just how “bad” these guys are. And how “smart” and “good” I am?

No.

Personally I don’t really care about any of these guys. I have known their associations and methods for years. I avoid them as soon as I become aware of them and don’t interact with them after I recognise them for the unethical people I judge them to be. I haven’t even shown you all the links by any means. I trained in hypnosis with a guy that is probably one of the best hypnotists in the world, but he too was pretty useless with women and fell into the PUA thing enough to “learn” some of the “tricks” of people like Mystery and then trying to use them at his teaching seminars. He wasn’t a bad guy. He was ambitious and he tried very hard, and I believe he was trying to be a really good and honest guy. But, as is the case with pretty much all “thirsty” men, his lack of ability with women, meant he was not in a satisfied relationship, and as far as this guy is concerned, I believe he would have been happy with just one woman. That’s actually true of most men. If they could get with a woman they were attracted to that treated them well, they would probably be unlikely to stray. Or at least would be a lot less prone to it.

In short, it doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone that had anything to do with any of these linchpins of the PUA movement and related scams is by default a complete loser, manipulator or freak. Some are just sad guys that want to get a girlfriend or wife. And have no idea of how in the modern setting of things, so they try to find some knowledge from people who tell them “this is how you get all the sex and glory an riches”.

PUAs are the sexual equivalent of Nigerian Prince e-mail scams.

The difference is that not only are they after your money, they are also polluting the general zeitgeist of human interactions.

It’s the difference between the 1950s’ dishonest door-to-door seller of encyclopaedias or vacuum cleaners and today’s online marketers of get-rich-quick schemes. The financial damage the old version could do has been amplified by several orders of magnitude. And in addition, the degradation of humanity has taken several steps closer to hell.

The whole point, of this loooooong post, was not just to show you the links between these people —and believe me, there are many more that go to both, higher places of power, and lower ones— but more importantly, how they percolate into the grander overview of life that you are slowly being boiled alive inside of.

Take this post together with the one I wrote immediately before it and think about them a bit. Then you may begin to appreciate why it is probably far safer for you to strike out on your own and make your own mistakes, always with a critical eye on taking note of how reality works and how to better adjust yourself to reality, rather than fool yourself into being into some fantasist’s scenario that you would prefer to believe in.

If you want to meet women and eventually make one your wife, start talking to people in general. Become someone you are happy and proud to be regardless of the attention of lack of it you get from anyone else. Learn to mix and talk with everyone. Become comfortable in the presence of people, then women, then beautiful women, and learn to talk and interact with them. Learn from your mistakes and failed interactions, keep your cool, adjust and correct your approach to whatever it is, be it becoming comfortable with women or learning to pilot a plane. Obviously, in the latter case, you really need to study enough to ensure you don’t go into a tailspin. Recovering from a bad relationship can be hell, fatal even at times, but no one walks away from a plane screw-driving into the Earth with you in it.

Above All

Learn this one thing: Honour, Truth, Justice, Beauty, Courage, the traditional virtues of Catholicism and manhood even before it, are Good. They are true. And they are a better guide for you than any guru. Have faith. Trust yourself to be good. To be able to become virtuous in these true ways, not the fake ones of Clown World. And beware, there are a lot of Clowns out there, and “Wizards”, and snakes in the guise of doves, and gay wolves in the guise of heterosexual pet dogs.

Be careful my adventurer friend. Count your gold pieces, equip yourself well, and follow no man but your own heart.

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