This should be absolutely obvious even to small children, but since apparently, Professor Cipolla’s First Law is an immutable iron law of humanity for all time, I guess it needs spelling out. In short words and possibly crayon-like drawings.
Let’s try to follow the logic:
Q1: Does the meaning of words matter?
A: Yes
Proof: What is a woman?
Can a Man get Pregnant?
How many sexes are there?
You either know how to answer those three follow-up questions as follows:
An adult human female.
No.
Two.
Or…. You are either an intentional liar and deceiver, or a mentally ill person. Either way, liar or insane, neither type is anyone with whom it is worthwhile to try to have any sort of rational or normal conversation or communication.
Q2: Is objective reality a thing?
A: Yes
The fact you may not always be able to understand what you are observing, does not mean reality is subjective. Even things like the two-slit experiment are reducible to objective facts, which are that when observed the particles predictably behave differently from when they are not observed.
Q3: Is truth relative?
A: No
Just like math, the ultimate truth of any specific thing, at any specific time and place, will have a precise answer. The fact you may not be capable of working out exactly what that is, also has no bearing on the reality that such a precise answer exists. Just like the fact you can’t do advanced calculus does not mean such a calculation will not have a precise answer.
In short, if words, facts and truth matter, then, what version of God you believe in, absolutely matters.
It can in fact be postulated that it matters more than any other question, especially if you already believe that:
God is good, infallible and loves you.
If God is both Good and also Loves you, as well as Infallible, then, a necessary conclusion must also be that Free Will and Justice both MUST also follow.
Consider that, since He is infallible, whatever His rules are, must be the best and true ones. And since He loves us there MUST be a way for us to discover what they are. Along with the possibility to reject them (because free will). But… if we do seek, and we do find, then… well, we should find a set of rules that is infallible. And since He loves us, it must also be possible for us to figure out which set of rules that is amongst all the lies and nonsense human beings produce constantly.
In fact, given all humans are flawed, it is quite obvious that such an infallible set of rules, must exist purely because of God’s Will and Love for us, and despite all human attempts at perverting said rules, again, due to His Love these attempts will ultimately as well as constantly fail, regardless of any temporary “success” they may seem to have from time to time. Thus, what can only be described as by a Supernatural protection, said rules must not only exist and be discoverable, but would also continue to exist to the End of Times, again, regardless of human attempts to corrupt them, which would essentially be continuous and endless.
In fact, this aspect of the rules alone would be proof that God exists, loves us, is infallible AND will protect His rules from the constant predation of flawed human beings.
The only religion that has ever made such a claim is the Catholic Church.
Prior to 28th October 1958 this was unique to the Catholic Church, which also set down these rules in one book: The Code of Canon Law of 1917.
Broadly speaking, the rules of the Catholic Church is how decent Christians comported themselves throughout the centuries, which is why Catholicism spread throughout the world more than any other false claimant to “Christianity”.
And why it achieved the heights of human well-being, and humane progress and civilisation that is a genuine betterment of the human condition instead of a mere mechanisation of them, as evidenced, for example by the industrial revolution, which is touted as “progress” when really it was the technological advancement of machinery and the mechanisation of human being in order to make those machines work more efficiently.
Anyone stupid enough to postulate that the “denomination” of your version of “Christianity” doesn’t matter as long as you’re a “follower of Christ” is a functional idiot. There really is no escaping that conclusion, and it is, indeed, perfectly in line with professor Cipolla’s assessment of the first law; that is, even people you may have deemed intelligent and rational, at some point, will reveal themselves to be irredeemably stupid.
Now, the natural human tendency to want to give people the benefit of the doubt, creeps in here and makes even intelligent people make reasonable sounding statements, such as, for example, Vox, on this post a while back:
One of the reasons I refuse to tolerate the never-ending internecine Christian civil wars is that I see no point in paying attention to labels and dogma when the spiritual version of WWIII is currently in full effect. If, at this point, you can’t recognize the difference between those who are actively and knowingly serving Clown World and those who are doing their best, however misguided they might be, to serve Jesus Christ, your opinion is irrelevant.
Sounds reasonable right?
Except it makes no sense at all.
In the body of Vox’s post the fake Novus Ordo Church is described as funding mass migration, which is true and is what it does. But the fake Novus Ordo church is also described as being the Catholic Church. Which it is not.
I’m fairly sure that Vox does not view someone like Ben Shapiro as being a legitimate American. And for good reason. Ben may be born in the USA, he may say he is American, he may have the papers to prove it, and in fact his claim to being American is at least legally valid. Anyone who bothered to observe his behaviour though, would quickly realise Ben Shapiro would happily burn America to the ground in order to make Israel better off. It is obvious that Ben does not value America anywhere near as much as he does Israel.
Now, the Novus Ordo fake Church in fact, does NOT have the legitimate legal “papers”. Ben Shapiro is far more validly American than the Novus Ordo Church is in any way validly Catholic.
In fact, if anyone bothers to check the fake Novus Ordo Church “papers” they will find that Canon 188 part 4 of the Code of Canon Law of 1917, whose entire purpose is precisely to lay down the rules of the Church in simple, legal, Roman Law, makes it absolutely clear the every fake “Pope” from Angelo Roncalli on is, in fact, legally, an impostor. A fake. At best a heretic or apostate, and more probably an infiltrating Satanist that never was a Catholic at any point.
This is clear, it is obvious, and, of course, it matters far more than Ben Shapiro’s loyalties to his supposed nation of birth instead of the one he identifies with.
Of course, if one starts out from the completely flawed perspective that just a generic “Jesus saves” intimation is enough to qualify one as a Christian, clearly, they are hardly going to investigate the details of the legitimacy or otherwise of what most of the planet (composed mostly of stupid people, let’s not forget) thinks is the “Catholic Church”.
But that doesn’t in any way make it acceptable or correct.
Because, as explained right at the start: the Truth, the facts of objective reality, matter.
And if that is true, then, what the TRUE rules that God wants us to follow are, absolutely matters.
And they sure can’t be the ones you in your arrogant, prideful, dumb, little brain, decide they are, all on your own. Which is precisely what every single version of Protestantism ultimately boils down to. There simply aren’t any prescribed rules to follow at all, except whatever ones suit you specifically.
Now, any child above the age of 5 or so, can clearly see that there is no game that makes any sense whatsoever, where you just pick the rules you want and ignore the ones you don’t like, and in fact can switch the rules you like too at will. Protestantism is essentially theological Calvinball.
But this train of thought is apparently a step too far for every single Protestant.
The reason, the only reason, we are currently living in the Clown World era, is precisely because actual Catholics degraded and fell quietly by the wayside, while never-where Catholic pretenders, from the sexual perverts of Luther and Henry the VIII, all the way to the various nobles that were more concerned with land, money and glory than the truth, advanced on the truth with their lies, deceit, and error, all in the service of their own twisted desires in the temporal, and Satan’s plan in the eternal.
When you know that 2 and 2 is 4, yet you allow the retards around you to say everything from 2 and 2 is 7 to 2 and 2 is purple, and you don’t call them out for the liars, satanists, or utter morons they are, you are, in fact, helping to degrade the entire human race.
Sure, Vox, trying to look at the big picture, thinks that the solution is that, hey, as long as these guys are more or less shooting towards the enemy, that’s all that counts.
He literally says if you don’t recognise the difference between a dedicated Clown Worlder and someone that may be in error but is mostly fighting Clown World, then your opinion is irrelevant, which is fair enough, but the strawman implication there is that someone pointing out the errors, lies, deceit and ruination of literally all of Protestantism or the fake Novus Ordo Church is somehow someone that can’t tell the difference between a dedicated Clown Worlder and a Churchian that means well.
That strawman is, of course, nonsense.
And Churchianity does, irrevocably lead to Hell, paved with good intentions as it inevitably is.
It is literally the reason Clown World even exists.
Because Churchianity “sounds” good, right? We are all equal; save the poor refugees; be politically correct, you don’t want to offend anyone, right?
Except it’s all a deceit. It’s all a lie, and it starts precisely by permitting people, whether intentional liars or misguided fools, to pervert the truth by their pretence that they are “Christians” when in fact they are nothing of the sort. Because they have zero legitimacy to the claim, lack the valid requirements, both spiritually (which God only can judge) but also legally (which can be clearly identified externally by anyone who cares to look) to make that claim.
If you are not a Catholic, you simply are NOT a Christian. You may wish to be. You may believe you are. You may really, really, really, want to be one, but you are not. At the very, very, very, best, most optimistic of views possible, you are in deep, deep, deep, error, that is entirely your fault, through the sin of sloth. Literally being too lazy to educate yourself about God and His Church.
This applies to most lay “Catholics” who are in the Novus Ordo fake Church and truly believe themselves to be Catholic, but have never bothered to investigate what Catholicism is, was and how it has been infiltrated and perverted by its enemies, culminating in Vatican II and the utter inversion and heresy it represents.
To a MUCH lesser extent it applies to anyone of literally any other denomination that truly believes they really are a “Christian” (presumably “generic” with a trademark stamp on the back of their head). These are people that not only have not bothered to study the details of Catholic dogma and compare them with post Vatican II heresy; which is bad enough. No, these are people who have not bothered to spend five minutes thinking about the broad history of the Church and contextualising it within the broad history of the infinite permutations of Protestantism since its inception 500 years ago.
In math terms, Protestants are the ten year olds who still count using made up numbers like eleventeen and fantillion. The rest of us, whether bad at math, like the average Novus Ordo layman that thinks he is Catholic, or the Eastern “Orthodox” that thinks he is a proper Christian, or actual Christians (i.e. Sedevacantist Catholic), look on at the retard and shake their heads.
But only those who care have the courage to go up to that ten year old potential retard, give him a smack in the face to stop his incessant babbling, then get him to sit down, shut up, and pay attention, so we can determine is he really is that retarded, in which case there is no helping him. Eventually he will run in the road and play in traffic and get run over. Best we can do in that case is to keep him in his own safe space, far away from us.
Or… we realise he was just lied to, or prideful, and wanted to feel special, in which case he might be salvaged by first showing him how to count to ten.
You cannot build anything worthwhile or durable if you build on sand without any precautions.
And that is exactly what you are doing when you think that paying attention to the fundamental truths of math, engineering and history is not relevant.
The truth matters. Protecting it from corruption matters. Your feelings about it don’t.
Protestants are not Christians. And it matters they are made aware of it. Novus Ordo “Catholics” are lazy ignorants. And it matters they are made aware of it. The Eastern “Orthodox” are not Orthodox and are schismatics. And it matters they are made aware of it.
It’s really not hard to understand. A child really does get it. Before you can fix a problem, you need to be aware of what the problem is.
And in the case of most people reading this, the problem is you are not a Christian at all.
And while your fake uniform, and fake badge, and fake belief might fool YOU, or maybe even a friend or two, it sure will not fool either our Lord, nor His enemy.
The Truth matters. And there is only one version of it that applies to all of us at all times. Only one.
Choose wisely.
And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, it sucks to be you because you are going to be dead long before the Catholic Church will write down the requirements for being a Christian, so you can’t possibly be one yet.”
Thank you for showing us you know absolutely NOTHING of Christianity. Are you unaware Jesus went to Hell precisely to release all those trapped there that did not deserve to be there? Amazing. Read something other than Dick Dawkings and Harry Potter sometime, will you?
You missed my point entirely.
[No I did not. Your point was retarded and you got shown up for it]
Two of your statements from your article:
“Of course, if one starts out from the completely flawed perspective that just a generic “Jesus saves” intimation is enough to qualify one as a Christian, clearly, they are hardly going to investigate the details of the legitimacy or otherwise of what most of the planet (composed mostly of stupid people, let’s not forget) thinks is the “Catholic Church”.”
And:
“If you are not a Catholic, you simply are NOT a Christian. You may wish to be. You may believe you are. You may really, really, really, want to be one, but you are not.”
Jesus assured the thief that he would join Jesus in paradise. Was the thief a member of the Catholic Church?
[Thanks for demonstrating that I was right and you are a stupid retard with this goal post shift, which is no better than the earlier attempt. And yes, Jesus being God can absolutely decide who gets into Heaven, and the thief falls under the very rare exception in the external forum which is called “baptism of desire”. Which Jesus confirmed in the external forum too in this case. making it part of Catholic dogma. Again, you show your arrogance, stupidity and lack of ability to use a search engine for 5 minutes before typing something as retarded as this]
If not, then Jesus was lying (according to you). [No, according to you and your ignorant, and retarded way of “thinking”.]
If the Catholic Church was formed by Jesus dying on the cross, then he made it clear that acknowledging him as savior is enough to be a Christian.
[No, the Catholic Church was formed when Jesus told Peter he would be the rock on which it was built (i.e. the papacy). And I have already explained Baptism of desire above. Retard.]
I’m finding it hard to reconcile what Jesus told the thief with what you are saying in this article.
[This is a separate issue from your original comment and just as retarded. Your stupidity, ignorance and laziness are not my problem, but yours. Do better.]
I do agree that the work done over many years to attempt to document the true teaching of the Bible is good and should be respected as a source of information. I do struggle with the thought that only one group got the details correct enough that only the people who follow all those details will be saved. That’s akin to saying the Bible doesn’t contain enough information for someone to read it and attain salvation, they must also read and understand the teachings of the Catholic Church.
I also agree that many denominations forge a self-serving form of Christianity and that following any particular one blindly is dangerous.
To be honest, I feel that Jesus did his best to make his teachings plain enough for simple folk to understand and attain salvation, but you sound a lot like a Pharisee trying to make it all very complicated.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Fine, let’s try once more: Answer the following questions in full.
1. WHO PUT THE BIBLE TOGETHER?
2. HOW DID THEY DO IT?
3. WHEN DID THEY DO IT?
4. ARE THERE PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE ITSELF THAT STATE NOT ALL THE INFORMATION IS IN THE BIBLE?
There is NOTHING Complicated about this. Millions of illiterate peasants managed to be perfectly decent Catholics without even being able to read.
Catholic dogma is really not hard to follow at all. In its most basic (and sufficient) form it means believing and following the Credo, following the Ten Commandments, taking Holy Communion, confession and the other sacraments as possible and required. And no, Jesus, who is also God, the one who literally LOVED US TO DEATH didn’t just do a mish-mash of wishy-washy stuff you can’t figure out from the truth.
You’re like a guy that says a bit of sewage in your ice cream is fine. No It is not. Lies are not part of Christianity. And the magisterium of the Church has always been and will always be infallible. Because God doesn’t make “mistakes” nor does He leave you “guessing” to figure it out without there being a clear path to seeking and finding out.
There is nothing to “agree to disagree” here. You are a heretic non-Christian, too lazy, arrogant and dumb to take the time to read and educate himself of even the most basic of Christian truths. DO. BETTER.
OK, I did my 5 minutes of Google and discovered that your position that non-Roman Catholics cannot be Christians is entirely consistent with the teaching of the RCC.
I also discovered that the RCC does not believe that scripture alone is enough to attain salvation. This (among other things) is why many Protestants believe that members of the RCC cannot be Christians, so I guess that road goes two ways.
It also explains why I had a hard time with some of the other things you said. I did not realize that the RCC literally plays by a different rulebook, much like modern Jews do with the Talmud.
It’s sad that the devil has managed to keep large groups of Christians fighting each other rather than fighting him.
I’d love to be able to call you a brother in Christ because it is clear that you have a passion for proclaiming the need to obtain salvation. Unfortunately, you will not allow me to do so.
But you are NOT a brother in Christ. You are an absurdly ignorant person pretending to know things that you could have figured out in an hour of reading that instead you assume like a monkey on crack. You go on to say you think the Catholics go by a “different rulebook” which is absolute nonsense, Catholic LITERALLY PUT THE BIBLE TOGETHER, you absolute moron.
Do you not understand the logic of the fact that the people who did that did it by relying on oral and written TRADITION? That is HOW the Bible was compiled, by CATHOLICS under a POPE. So, OBVIOUSLY, since the Bible itself was COMPILED from both oral and written tradition Christianity itself CANNOT be limited only to the Bible.
The fact I have to explain this to you is embarrassing. A 5 year old child understands this. But Protestant are far more retarded than a normal 5 year old. They are literally like monkeys screaming nonsense.
The Talmud is an abomination of stuff that includes child rape and murder of non jews as not being crimes.
The Code of Canon Law is simply the putting down in writing the dogmatic rules of the Church, because like math, the truth matters and it is not changing or changeable. The divine rules of God are not “up to each moron to interpret for himself”. They never have been and never will be. They are the permanent, infallible laws God created for us to live by, which people like you ignore totally in preference for their own “interpretation” that is desires, errors and degeneracy.
You have zero claim to being a Christian. You are simply not one. You never even bothered to learn HOW the “Bible” YOU worship, like an idol came about. The Protestant Bible has had 7 books taken out of it and is the translation of the version that was messed with by pharisees that hate Jesus for 700 years before it was then mistranslated (on purpose) in 33,000 places by order of a completely gay King James (he was a flamboyant homosexual, this is not in dispute) that also created the Freemasonic (satanist) temples.
And you want to try and tell me it’s the Catholics that have “gone wrong”? As the saying goes: Bitch, PLEASE! Get a fucking education about the basics before polluting common sense in general with your nonsense.
For the sake of discussion, let’s assume that I have the intellect of a German Shepherd or a small child. Let’s say that I’m completely retarded, and that I do not understand the various schisms between the many Christian denominations. And I don’t, so please take that into account.
[Thank you for this humble admission. I will do my best but remember I also am not a Priest, just a rather educated layman.]
I’m searching for PHYSICAL COPIES of what you refer to as the “proper” rules of the Catholic Church. Am I looking for something called, “The 1917 Pio-Benedictine Code of Canon Law”? Would that be the proper title?
[Yes. Available on Amazon and in digital format for about 35 bucks (not downloadable I think, but searchable for ease of use.)]
And if I am also searching for what you refer to as the modern “wrong” version of Canon Law, pertaining to Vatican II….what am I looking for? Would it just be entitled, “The Code of Canon Law”? [the one issued after 1917 (it was done in 1983)]
What do I need to look for? I wish to compare and contrast the official rules of Vatican 1 vs Vatican 2, and I’m not completely sure how to do that.
[Vatican 1 was before the Code of 1917 and the writings on it are online. It doesn’t do much other than what most encyclicals and dogmatic explanations of the church do, which is essentially to simply clarify with more specificity, rules and dogma the church has always had. this becomes necessary as heretics, apostates, Pagans and Satanists try to continue to confuse the truth. Vatican II is complete heresy and comprises 16 documents, all of which are online. You may also want to read my book Reclaiming the Catholic Church (available in digital format at my e-store or in paper format on Amazon, as it will save you a lot of time in knowing where to look and what to look at, as well as being fully referenced with regard to source documents.) ]
Basically, I would like to read physical copies of both, rather than PDF files….as staring at glowing, pixelated images on a computer screen can become quite tedious. Do you have any suggestions where I should buy these online? I would greatly appreciate any assistance you could provide in pointing me in the right direction.
[Code of Canon Law can be bought on Amazon (I think round 60 dollars). Ditto my book reclaiming the Catholic Church which has plenty of references. A lot of the papal encyclicals are really easiest to get online, but if you want paper copies at the time of issue you might find them in old bookshops and so on.]
~Sacrificial Lamb
“my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” and you can only pick it up at your nearest Roman Catholic Church location.
Hey, as a Protestant (Presbyterian), I’m glad my Christian brothers are proud of their church, even if they believe I’m as much an enemy as the Jews.
My favorite part of this post? I quite liked the Vox Day quote.
And while I disagree with the OP, I do quite appreciate the honesty. Too little of that in the world.
Your comment makes literally zero logical argument against my position, which is what I requested on SG. So far… crickets.
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